I read a self-professed ‘malesub’ stating that he would train his sons to be submissive to women. He would try to force the orientation on them, not enable them to seek fulfillment.
The idea of a father teaching his boys to want to be a woman’s slave is quite disgusting. Should someone really try one can only hope the children are taken away from him.
This is a good example of the kind of damnable consequences belief in female superiority can lead too.
Originally posted 2008-11-18 06:46:28. Republished by Blog Post Promoter
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The problem with children is that they never do what you say, but they almost always do what you do.
You can force a child into a behavior pattern at much cost to both you and the child. Or you can lead the child by example.
My leanings towards FLR come from my role models. My dad was very respectful towards my mom and aunts. In many ways mom was head of the household which was quite a feat for a 1950′s housewife!
This is not to say that you don’t discipline children when they need it. They need small course corrections to develop social skills and safety habits. They also crave guidance and direction. Like it or not, you as the parent, are their leader.
If you set the example to deferring to women for advice and decision making, the child will come to learn that this is OK and maybe even preferable.
This is a far cry from insisting that a male child treat all women as superiors. Forcing a child into any lifestyle has unpleasant results. It is possible that the child will adjust and grow up “normally.” It is more likely that the child’s self-esteem will be crushed causing a lot of other anti-social issues or that the child will rebel, and not only hate you, but also hate the women you adore.
As parents the best you can do is lead and hope that your children follow. Doing all the right things is not a 100% guarantee of success, but the probability of success is higher if you do the right things.
One last note: don’t worry about getting it 100% right. Kids are pretty smart. They’ll cut you some slack if they know you are trying.
Anyone who would seriously consider doing this doesn’t deserve to have kids.
I only hope that if he does have boys, that they grow up to be doms if anything. Just to shove his face in it.
And if he was into beastiality would he teach his kids how to enjoy that as well? This is sickening really, enjoy your fetish without having to brainwash your kids. Sounds like he is rather self loathing and is trying to justify himself by manipulating and controlling his sons.
It would be interesting to know if the man’s wife shared his philosophy.
I try not be be critical of other people’s way of doing things, but wow – this is disturbing.
Kids should do what they want, and so should their parents, when it comes to a role. If the father wants to be submissive to the mother, in terms of doing all the housework, laundry, cooking, and asking her permission to do things, etc, then I don’t see anything wrong with that, any more than I’d critizise a wife from doing that. I’m confident many successful women were daughters of mothers who had traditioal female rolss,
Males share much of the domestic work these days anyway, though they rarely do half. You are born with submissive desires. You don’t learn them. They are erotic. It’s very rare for a male to be submissive, and also rare for a female to be submissive to this degree.
The sons will have a world full of role models. They won’t care who does the dishes or laundry at home. Dominance and submission are an individual’s choice, and have nothing to do with raising kids. I wouldn’t be excessively submissive in front of a child, such that the child realizes this is really strange, or gets laughed at if he tells his friend. The husband shouldn’t be asking his wife for his allowance in front of the kids, or kissing her feet, but I see nothing wrong with a male or female doing all the domestic tasks, and cooking, and the other person controlling all the money, and making all the decisions; but do think that certain aspects of this shouldn’t be paraded unnecessarily in front of children. However, if the father does all the housework, washing, and ironing, and cooks and serves all the meals, I see no problem with it, just as I’d see no problem if the wife did that.
I in fact don’t see a problem if the children realize the wife is the head of the household, and makes the important decisions. They’ll see it as a cooperative and reasonable father,with no fights in the home. There is no “proper” gender role and kids should be taught tolerance, but I don’t think the parents should present the scenario as the father being the slave of the mother. I don’t think it will have anything to do with what the kids want for themselves in a relationship, but might subject them to laughter if they tald about it, and kids should feel free to not worry about that kind of thing. .
Agreed, one must understand that that femdom is a spiritual and sexual exercise and nothing more.
Fundamentally and by nature, men and women have equal power and equal needs that are achieved through opposite and complimentary fashion to achieve these mutually desired ends.
Power play is and always will be a way to exemplify and illustrate proper balance and reciprocal energy but never to achieve it. It is simply an exercise.
i agree with much of what Tav said but i do think it important that the parents do not pretend that the relationship is other than that the mother is the Head of Household and that the father does what he is told. After all, that’s a fact!
And i don’t understand why you say that he shouldn’t ask for his allowance in front of the children. Why not? She controls the finances; he has to ask for his spending money just as the children do. Seems straightforward to me
billy
Why disgusting? In the past, women taught their daughters to be submissive to men especially to the husband. Fathers should teach their sons that women are the most valuable members of society, that they always be held in the highest esteem and that boys should obey their mothers and guys their girlfriends and wives. It’s the best way to save the world from the destruction caused by male domination.
why is everything outside the norm a fetish.I could just a father teaching his kids his values. If is truly believes men are born to serve women then of course he’s going to pass down those beliefs.you people act like like he has his kids naked crawling to there mama.I’ll admit some see female superiority as a fetish.but others,self included,it has nothing to do with sex and more to do with living as the goddesses intended.
i see nothing wrong with the father’s idea however his actions will do more to instill in his sons the proper attitude. Let them see how much he enjoying doing what he is doing.
Ladies to can show there their daughters how being a Female is Great and the Rewards that come with it.
You people are sick perverts. If you have children they should be taken away and you locked up for the rest of your life.
As a young hoping to be life-style dom, I am interested in FD families – or I will be one day. All the talk about what dad does seems irrelevant as its what mum does that counts. There will always be the submissive male/dominant female roles perfectly visible however secret the nuts and bolts may be. It isnt as if this is in some science fiction future; women have dommed men in family relationships since the year dot for goodness sake. The nagging always dissatisfied wife, the woman who runs the finances and keeps her husband under her heel is exactly that, a Dominant. Personally I think most families are FD – except, sadly, most women dont move onto the fun bits. But men love being told exactly what to do, how to dress, what to think. And a lot of that comes from their mothers. Everyday in the shops you will see young mums smacking and clouting and bellowing at their kids- and boys are fair game for a few sharp slaps on the backs of their thighs. Many many mums go further; my mum used to warm my brothers arse with an old leather slipper. She’d do it when she was cross and didnt stint herself. My legs would go wobbly watching. He’d cry and his arse would be bright red. And mum felt better and made a cup of tea. Now of course this wasnt “FD” and she would have been horrified to hear it might be but that is only because the true nature of FD wasnt available to her as it is with young woman today. I once watched a young mum slapping a boy quite deliberately between his legs as a punishment for misbehaviour at a restaurant. She took him round the side of the building and did it quite coldly and slowly until she was satisfied he’d learnt his lesson. She then left him there so he could recover. He was in a right state. It was just a fraction away from being pornographic. She is regarded by all as an excellent mum, completely in charge of her brood. Later I saw them cuddling and smiling and I really had to wonder what was going on here. It was of course 100% straight but I hope you get my point about thin lines etc? If I had boys I’d be as keen to instill discipline as that mum and slapping and other chatisements are traditional in our society so I’m sure I’d use something. Girls are much easier. I’d lose no time at all in telling them about the advantages of FD. Obviously it would be up to them but I think most sensible girls see how it works – so I’d be surprised if they didnt follow suit. So I conclude; families always have been and always will be female dominated; the issue is how much of a developed FD life-style should be displayed. Does daddy get caned in front of the kids, for example? Is he smacked and sent to his punishment area when mum gets annoyed? Do you tell your daughter that daddy has been such a slouch he’s going to get his penis smacked? And to go back to the woman at the restaurant, when a boy needs slapping why not do it where we know it hurts?
Basically this is an interesting topic, one that my Wife and i discuss regularly. We are in a FD life-style but we agree that our kids should not be exposed to our life-style. This is simply because we want to let them explore their own preferences and sexuality.
However, it is obvious that their values will be influenced by our life-style. Next to main provider I’m also responsible for the chores around the house (for as long as we have kids). This results in my daughter doing nothing any my son helping me on Saturday morning to clean he house. This is natural for them, nothing special.
Our kids also know that mom takes all final decision. This doesn’t mean that my input doesn’t matter. We have family discussion on all kind of topics but my wife takes the final decision.
We are not in favour of discipline in front of the kids. We have word coding in which my wife makes it clear I’m going too far but punishment is administered in private and via my chastity. I’m wearing a CB 6000s permanently but not when we are at home with the kids (they could jump on my lap or see me in the shower).
My wife also cuckolds me but we do not share any of that with our children. Our daughter is very suspicious and sometimes gets subtle hints (computer screens or a dressed up mom going to a friends drink) and we assure her that this all is very consensual without providing any details.
We are in this life-style for a long time now, longer as we have kids. Our kids are normal kids and they can discover their own preferences and sexuality. In our opinion this is the only option as we believe we should not expose kids to any direct effects of our FD relationship.
We will however, reveal more about it when they are 18 or older. Not in detail but the principles of it, we believe they have the right to know at that time so they can put things in perspective.
I have to say the image of your daughter swanning around while you and her brother look after her is rather appealing!
Linda, it’s not as obvious as it seems. This all goes without talking about that stuff. We all do the chores together, that is the picture. Obviously we divide the tasks in such a way that the men are doing more physical work then the women but in our opinion we learn the kids a valuable lesson that is often not learned by vanilla kids; in a household thing should be done equally. In that sence both my daughter and my son will have an advantage later. My daughter will not accept a partner that is not willing to participate in the household and my son will be popular amoung women because he learned to be a great help and pleaser.
I appreciate what you say. But what does your wife do when you need a good slapping right there and then? And surely it doesnt mean no beating at all – whats the point in being dom in that case? I think a dad and a brother can give a girl special attention, little favours, obedience while not being overtly subbie. Its very natural. She may pout and throw tantrums, lots of girls do, but how nice if the males accept that and let her rock and roll. I dont think people recognise how close to the surface these basic instincts are. I used to give my brother, two years older, hell when I wanted to. My biggest thrill was to invent some story and tell my mum and then hear and sometimes see him getting it. If he claimed I’d made it up he’d get it worse; Oh! what a face he’d pull when the arguing was over and he had to drop his trousers. Of course I had no notion of Fd but I very much enjoyed wielding that power and it was extra nice when it was all so unfair. My best ones were telling mum about the porno magazine he had in his room and accusing him of peeping up my skirt. He certainly used to do that although you would be right in suspecting it was more a case of me flashing and him simply being unable not to peep. Now I suspect my mum must have guessed I was winding it up but such a serious accusation would see Sean sent to his room while mum got crosser and crosser thinking about it until up she went with the slipper. I’d be in the hallway listening and peeping – mum never closed the door – and then he’d be made to apologise through his sobs for something he hadnt done.. It was a great way to liven up a dull Sunday and it wasnt just the beating, for the rest of the day he had to do chores and that included cleaning and tidying my bedroom. The fact is I was always keen to watch him do that, pointing out what needed doing and making him do it over again until I was satisfied. I liked to make him sort out my knickers which I could see excited him and as a bit of compensation I’d even model them for him which meant taking them off and putting on other ones. Talk about eyes on stalks! I’ve had frank discussions with him about this since and he has no resentment at all and describes his “fever” as my legs got longer and my skirts shorter. He would have taken a lot more very happily. To be honest my dad wasnt much better, always always looking. Now i wish I’d told my mum about him too; I wonder what would have hapened? My interest in Fd family life goes back to those heady days when Little Miss Perfect claimed her pink knickers were being eyed up and a boy got badly thrashed as a result. It was the sheer injustice of it that I liked. Now I am thinking how would I deal with these issues if I have a family so its good to have your views. Codes and no chastity cage when the kids are about is NOT inspiring; what you only do it now and again? Real FD is about 24/7 control and i cant see how kids can be kept in the dark about that.
Dear Linda, this is becoming an interesting public discussion and I’m planning to bring my wife into this discussion too. I hear what you say but I don’t agree. I’m in chastity 24/7. I just don’t wear the CB when I’m at home and the kids are arround. Be sure that my wife check upon me when I go to the bathroom or when I work in the study ….
Your story is interesting and the fact that you bullied Sean arround sounds interesting. My principle is that one should not “shape” a child in that way. One has always to look at the consequenses and I don’t know what became of Sean but with everything that happened he could be in serious mental trouble such as a woman hater, binding fear, low self esteem and so on. Men like that are most probably not going to be the best submissive men for women.
The way we see this is that we give the kids an example of an equal relationship where the woman takes the final decisions. This will keep them neutral about our FD relationship but will learn them new society standards that are different from how most families are raised. We believe we found a method that will not shape the kids sexually in any shape or form but we keep them away from the stereotype male/female relationship.
With regards to the slapping; believe that happens but never in front of the kids. When my wife has an urgent need to correct me we go to our bedroom or to the basement otherwise she’ll administer punishment before we go to sleep. Don’t forget that I’m in chastity and she can subtile ad days to my locking period.
So all in all it’s our opinion that kids, when they form their values and find their place in society, we should not steer them in FD but let them experience what an equalized relationship means. My daughter, a very social girl, already know that she has Female Power and my son has girls amoung his friends too as he behaves much less macho and more accomodating to them. Those are natural signs of dominance and submission that will develop further (or not) when they grow up.
Voilence in front of the kids is something we are defenitly not in favor of. We raise our kids voilent free. Is was our adult choice to ad physical punishment to our FD life but violence (how subtile it can be) is not something we should confront kids with in our opinion.
In this respect I would like to ad that we are European and that we believe there is one thing that is very different and, in this care, also better as in the States (where we lived the last 5 years). Voilence on TV is much more common then love and sex. There is a lot of fuss arround sex and far less arround violence. The TV shows where many people are violently raped, killed or slaughtered is apoling to us and we don’t let our kids watch that.
On the contrary, there are a lot of R rated movies with some nudity, sex or other where we believe this is good for kids to watch. The US still raises kids with the idea that sex is dirty. Kids of 8 years old don’t kiss their mom or dad anymore because of “germs” or something. My son still does that and said one time; My mom has the same germs as I have, so what’s the point?
To raise kids with love, respect and equality is the best way to raise kids. Let them decide, when they are 18, what they want to do with that. I believe we do not have the right to shape or form kids in any direction, it will only lead to frustraded kids and they might choose the wrong path in stead.
So I would advise you, when you start your family, to be carefull, read some psycholigical book about raising kids and the influences parents can have on their long term mental well being and you might learn that you can steer in a certain direction but enforcement almost always leads to rebellation.
I’m very interested in your reaction.
Linda – I think there are two things going on in your argument: How open should a FD relationship be for the children of the family and should the boys in such a family also be made part of the female’s domination?
From your own family experiences it seems that your mother had no difficulties with the later question and even though she may have had her suspicions that you inventing situations in order to have your brother punished, she almost colluded with you. That and your observation of the mother smacking her son’s genitals outside the restaurant are probably quite extreme on the side of being unambiguous about what FD meant for the two women involved.
I believe that in a more median FD household the children are fully aware that the mother rules and that the father acquiesces. It is inevitable that any girls in that family environment will grow up to emulate their mother and the boys will grow up to emulate their father. To say that the children should be left to find themselves misses reality. I don’t think there is any controversy in this.
Where there is obviously controversy is if physical punishment is used as part of the FD and should that extend to the boys of the family. If physical discipline is used by the wife on the husband is definitely an issue for them and I have no moral issues at all with the use of semi concensual physical discipline within a relationship. The issue of the FD wife punishing her husband in front of the kids is more complex as is the wife’s punishing any boys in the family as part of her FD.
In conclusion; In an FD household the children will be acutely aware of the power differences between male and females in the home therefore they will be fundamentally affected by that in their value systems as they grow up. If the family have open discipline rituals for the male members this will definitely reinforce the children’s attitudes to FD as they develop through their childhood. Is that desirable or damaging? To be honest, I am with Linda, as long as it doesn’t turn into sexual abuse, why shouldn’t the FD lifestyle be displayed openly and why shouldn’t the boys of the family not be expected to conform to those rules too with their accompanying disciplining.
If you want your boys to distrust you, go ahead and try to raise them as subs. At some point (8 years, +/- 2 years), kids start noticing how other families work and compare them with their own. You’d have to live like a fundamentalist (pick your type) and keep your kids away from the larger culture to keep them thinking like you, until about 16 years. By then the bottom line is: obey the rules or find another place to live. If they think they’re being treated unfairly, especially by crazy people they don’t respect, they’ll be gone as soon as possible. You’ll regret it.
cuckold030 seems right on to me: no violence or sex around the kids. Loving cooperation is the best example for family life, no matter who makes the final decisions.
cuck, I too am appalled by the violence on US TV. Many years ago I casually polled my co-workers (techies) and we all agreed we’d like to see more sex and less violence on TV; well, except for one woman who didn’t think we needed more sex.
Miss Linda, please, no testicle punishment for the kids; real damage can be done. I’m not always against spanking but think it’s rarely necessary if you’ve done the prep work with consistent non-violent consequences for bad behavior. So, get yourself a full-grown sub male to take it out on but don’t inflict your fantasies on the kids. Thanks.
No parent has the right to try and force their beliefs (especially when specifically related to their sexual lifestyle choices) on their children. People make the mistake of thinking that they have the right to mold children as they see fit – which they don’t. Kids deserve to grow up in a loving home where they can choose to become whatever or whomever they wish.
i’m not necessarily advocating raising submissive boys, but why would that be any different than raising girls to be submissive as they have been basically throughout history….. what’s good for the gander is good for the goose?…..
my mother brought me up to believe in female superiority and put dresses on me when i was young and i accept woman now as superior to me .
Linda, as a woman, you are as dangerous to the human condition as any male rapist. You want to abuse children’s testicles and castrate men regardless of how they treat women (you are a twisted, demented psycho). You should not be allowed the honor of children. lf any person suggests removing the procreative abilities of another person that person suggesting that is THE PROBLEM. I don’t have a problem with FDR, I do have a problem with any person who is sadistic to any human. Get a grip, get over your insane anger, and get a grip before you ever think about breeding. Spouting like yours does a disservice to FDR.
I find it interesting in a world that wants things to be equal you have women that want to be in control and then you have men that want to be in control. This is choice between two adults and each relationship is different. It is and always will be the nature order of things that men from a DNA point of view, are the more dominate gender. Women have slowly been allowing themselves to be ok with enjoying sex. The family unit has been slowly falling apart because of divorce, men and women not being there for their family and this has in many cases allow men to experience their growth through the eyes of women leading the family. Like it was mentioned, girls have been brought up to be submissive to their husbands, this is taught and their DNA is more in line with the nuturing and caring of the family. So the same stands true of a boy, he will mature into what he has experienced within his environment. But a boy has DNA that is more agressive and the brain of a boy is no the same as a girl that is taught to be submissive. Genders are different and their brains develop in totally different ways.
So now all the ladies out that are mad or what to spank me to put me in line, think for a moment. A child should never have to experience the world of adults until they are emotionally prepared. A child’s evironment can lead to the same normal way that a person handles an abnormal situation. Be it abusive parents or a combat veteran. Let me say it again, A person can have a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. Let me now add for you, a male has DNA to allow him to be agressive, rough and what to play hard. To train him to serve, be submissive, and women are his superior before he is emotionally grown enough to understand himself and what he needs falls inline with him having a normal reaction to an abnormal situation. He will be confused, emotional immature and deep inside him, he will feel out of sort with himself.
Dad and Mom can love each other in which ever way they need to work together to make their relationship work, but I to train a girl or boy to be anything other than loved, they are belived in, they can become anything they choose to and the must have the develop from both parents that shows them how to succeed in life since they have been given the tools of being accountable for their actions, they must deal with life and understand that life can be cruel to anyone. Learn from it so you can become a better person.
My final comment is a question, two people can be equal, why can’t two people that really love each other be submissive to each other, live teamwork with each other and always make your partner a priority.
Ambrose Bierce, in his “Devil’s Dictionary,” defines marriage as a household consisting of a Master, a Mistress, and two slaves, making in all, two.
Just diminish the role of the Master and pump up that of the Mistress, and there you have it.
I hope your countries respective authorities are monitoring this site for peadophilia. Linda you are talking about involving children in a sexual pointed relationship. Think about that, it will not be hard for a decent lawyer to link your fetish to your treatment of a child.
I think we all bring our kids up to accept the social norms that we follow ourselves. This involves teaching them such basics as do not steal, do not be greedy and don’t bully your siblings etc. We use all kinds of methods to get those messages accepted by our kids. In the past we used physical discipline now in our politically correct Western world we use non violent ways like naughty steps or chairs. But take a look at the state of our schools and you can see that the latter methods is not always successful.
Is it so bad therefore, if our family unit deliberately incorporates the mother as the head of the family, to bring up the sons of that family to respect that norm too and if some form of discipline is also used to maintain the female leadership, should that not also be considered appropriate for the male children? This is no different than the requirement of strict religious adherence in a religiously devout family.
well i dont see anything bad about being exposed to a female controled household i am a sub male who grew up serving mom and my three sisters as i was the only male in the house they had a lot of fun at my expence
I agree that children will copy their role parental models. Starting out at birth, they will do it without question. Whatever it is, it’s the norm. Mom was the absolute authority in our home. Dad asked her for permission for everything. Hence, my three brothers grew up submissive while my younger sister were confident in our dominant role. In the evening when mom wanted some alone time or just got annoyed with dad; she’d “it’s time for you to go to bed. Whatever dad was doing, he’d stop and meekly go to bed, even if it was still light. I picked up on this, and when I was 10 and going through puberty, I started sending my brothers to bed. Even thought my older brother was 13, he meekly went to bed. He may not have like it anymore than Dad, but he did it without question. This was a defining period in our development, were we girls assumed our dominate responsibilities, and our brothers surrendered to their submissive positions.
Sometime when dad would get out of line, Mom would raise an eyebrow and bring him up short. You could see the fear in his eyes. I figured out that he was going to get a spanking at night. I’d listen. One night when I was upset with my brother, I took him to listen. Then we just looked at each other and went back to my room where I delivered my first spanking to my older brother’s bare butt. My point is that kids learn from their role models. We also learned that Mom loved dad very much.
As far as I’m concerned, the wise old mule said it all in the very first comment. But let me say my bit about corporal punishment. I think it’s fine if it’s based on freely given consent and trust. The more control the disciplinarian has over the person to be punished, the less free this person is to accept or reject the disciplinarian’s authority, and the greater the risk of abuse. Children who depend on their parents for everything don’t have this freedom, nor do students at school. A husband who is closely controlled by his wife loses the capacity to freely embrace her authority. He must always have the option to say “Honey, I don’t want this any more.” In short, I only approve of spanking amongst people who are fundamentally equals.
Let’s not train boys to be submissive. Let’s train them to be free, strong, responsible, loving and respectful of others. As adults, they will choose the life style that suits them best.
I have been raised playfully as a girl by my nannies during childhood and grew up in a womans household. This way I was thouroughly disciplined to suit the needs of real Ladies. Every woman has praised my nannies and even thanked them personally for their efforts. I’ve lived and served as a maid ever since and enjoy seeing my Mistress proud and happy. Nothing can beat the intensive and loving care in return.
The only way to a perfect male-female relationship. But obviously only know to real Ladies.
Jay
Problems can be avoided by setting clear simple family rules in the beginning. The primary rule in our family is; Females are in charge. Males submit to females. It’s a simple rule the boys understand and except. Boys will be boys regardless of how you raise them. Don’t assume the problem is because it is a female dominated household.
We don’t make a big deal over the rule. It is accepted as a simple fact of life, and everyone lives inside that constraint. If my son gets rowdy and his little sister will tell him to settle down, he understands without it being stated that girls are more mature and that boys need female control. Though he struggles with his male tendencies to misbehave, he accepts her authority lest she exerts greater control to bring him into line. For the most part it is rare that our girls have to punish their brothers. A simple command or scolding is usually sufficient. When it isn’t, a stinging swat to the bottom may serve as a reminder that a spanking is eminent. At this point the boys all most always settle down.
The boys learn that if they behave and don’t push the rule, there will be tranquility. Hence, our sons dearly love and respect their sisters.
I was especially pleased not long ago when I hear my 15 year old son ask his 12 year old sister if he could go next door to hang with his friends. She asked a few questions of him, and then told him to be back in an hour. He returned promptly on time.
What I liked about this exchange is that my son willingly sought guidance from his sister. This speaks volumes about respect for his sister’s intelligence, and respect for the rule. He also trusted the wisdom that she has acquired in her role of authority since early childhood.
When he walked through the door my daughter raised her head and smiled offering approval that her brother had been responsible. My son returned her smile, valuing her praise. There was not a big deal made of it. There is nothing sexual or abusive. We have adopted a simple rule based on the nature of each gender. It works.
Further to my post of yesterday in which I said, “I was disappointed that I was not also a girl” & “I wanted to be beaten by my sisters”.
Perhaps what follows will help explain just why I felt that way.
I have always wanted to be a girl.
I have always wanted to be a girl, at least that is since puberty. But before Puberty, I, in common with all other lads of my age we were glad that we were not girls, as we considered them to be rather weak silly giggly creatures.
But after puberty, for me at least there was a complete reversal, I found that I desperately wanted to be a girl, I was bitterly disappointed that I had not been born female. What had I done wrong ? Was I being punished for something done in a previous life ?
There were a number of reasons why I wanted to be a girl. 1. They are much more attractive than boys. 2. They have lovely smooth skin. 3. They have beautiful hair. 4. Their complete overall body shape is far superior to ours. 5. Their clothing is far better than ours.
My number 1 fantasy was to wake up in the morning, and find that in the night my body had changed into that of silky smooth girl’s body, and that I could now wear female clothing. I would have two lovely firm well rounded breasts, and down below I would have two smooth lips, instead of that male appendage hanging down between my legs.
In fact I would rather like the newfound need to have to sit down on the loo in order to relieve a full bladder.
This last requirement reminds me that at an early age I discovered my submissive nature. In fact whenever I saw an attractive teenage girl, every fibre of my being cried out, “Beat me, please beat me”.
For some strange reason I cannot explain I wanted so much to suffer at the hands of the sex I so much wanted to be.
Faceunderu, a Woman’s slave.
Further to my account of how I came to be, “Beaten by my Sisters”.
Let me make it clear that as far as I am aware, nothing illegal ever took place. In fact, our mother insisted that although I was my sisters slave, there was to be no sexual contact of any sort, however, as a concession, they were allowed if they so wished, to put a pair of their soiled knickers into my mouth, and another pair upside down over my head, before punishing me so, as to make me both taste, and inhale the pungent aroma emanating from their most intimate parts, whilst at the same time beating me, which I must confess made it all that more enjoyable for me to suffer at their hands.
I was never allowed to have my food at the same time as they did, because at meal times each sister took in turn to humiliate me further by sitting on my face, however, there always had to be at least one item of her clothing between her and me, it was never to be naked flesh to flesh.
After they had finished, I was allowed to have my meal which consisted of their cold leftovers scraped into a bowl, put on the floor for me to eat on all fours like a dog, in fact if they thought there was not sufficient, they would add some dog food as well.
I continued to be their slave for about five more years, at which time the eldest got married, left home, and went to live in Canada. I remained the slave of my younger sister for about three more years, at which time she also got wed, and went out to live in Australia.
Shortly thereafter I also married and set up home elsewhere with my dominant wife, whose property it is now my honour to be. During the time I was my sisters slave, I was never, for the reasons given above, used by them in the way I so desperately wanted to be, and as I believed they wanted to use me, but this was never discussed. However, I am pleased to say that finally what I wanted more than anything else did in fact come to pass, just how I will describe in my next post.
faceunderu, a Woman’s slave.
Some five years after I got married to a dominant woman who’s property it is my privilege to be. My elder sister who lives in Canada wrote to say that she was coming to the UK, for a months visit, and would like to stay with us for part of that time. My mistress wife who was well acquainted with our history, was only to pleased to ask her to come and be our guest for as long as she wished.
In due course she arrived, and after the exchange of greetings, her first words were, “Where is my childhood boy slave”. My owner replied, he was overjoyed to learn of your intended visit, and in anticipation he has put himself inside my toilet box. Great she said, just what I need right now, it’s been a long journey, and I am desperate, where is it. This way said my owner.
My sister lifted the lid, looked down at me with a contemptuous smile, and said I have waited a long time for this, now open your mouth wide and keep it open. Without more a do she turned round, lifted her skirt, moved her knickers, positioned herself directly over my mouth, operated the handle which pushed my head upwards so that my lips were in direct contact with the flesh surrounding her pussy, breathed a sigh of relief, and proceeded to empty the contents of her by then very full bladder directly into my eager waiting mouth.
That was something for which I had yearned ever since she made me her slave some 15, years previously. I have enjoyed drinking many gallons of female urine during the time I have been married, but to be allowed to drink my sister tangy tasting golden nectar was simply out of this world, however, the best was yet to come. She pushed the handle down, moved forward a little, repositioned herself, and moved the handle up so that my lips were in firm contact with all the flesh around her anal ring.
She must have been somewhat constipated for she groaned, and tried hard to push out the first log, I felt Her flesh bulge outwards, but Her anus remained tightly closed. She relaxed and the bulge went back up again, after a short while She again groaned, pushed hard, and this time Her anal ring opened just a little, this went on and on several times, until I was at last able to get the tip of my tongue up inside Her anus just far enough to touch the head of the first huge log.
Two more attempts, and then the first part of my next meal slowly began to descend into my wide open eager waiting mouth, after a short while, the head of the first log was at the entrance to my throat, at last what we had both yearned so long for had come to pass, She said it was awesome, and I couldn’t agree with Her more, for the very first time, I had been allowed to swallow the entire contents of what had been Her fully distended rectum.
faceunderu, a Woman’s toilet
For the attention of Ashesh S. Ghose.
First of all, please allow me to apologize to you for the content of my post which you found so offensive. What I cannot understand is why you should say,
“FAceunderu should be “handscuffedbehindu” !!!!If they take pity on U they may send female , sadistic wardens to your correctional facility who will nightly swith your bare behind before forcing you to cunnilinguate/analinguate her pussy/anus until she gets imprisoned too !!!”
As what you describe is exactly how I would love to be treated by sadistic female warders. What I don’t understand is why you then go on to say, “until she gets imprisoned too !!!”
Am I to believe you feel that dominant women on this web site who order their male slaves to lick kiss and suck their pussy and anus should be imprisoned ?
Rose, Linda (who I think is making her story up) and others who said that it was okay to give daughters privileges over sons: I really hope that you are expressing a fantasy and not a reality. If the husband decides to be in a submissive relationship, that’s fine. But the sons had no choice in the matter. Forcing them into it is abuse. Fantasy is okay, but if you really put more limits on your sons than your daughters then you are a sexist and a bigot.
Though to be fair, I see on the maledom forums they are having a debate about whether to raise their daughters to be submissive to men. Fantasizing about raising one gender to be submissive is fine, but doing so in real life is evil. I don’t mean to “ruin the mood” of this forum, but I do want to make sure that this is understood.
Foolishness is universal and encompassing but we detail with only a very narrow slice of it on this blog.
I married a man 20 years my senior. This is my second marriage and his first. I have two daughters; a 14 year old, and a 10 year old from my first marriage.
My daughters and I are quite close and able to discuss every aspect of our life. We realized that my first husband (their father) was virtually worthless, and we vowed to each other that we would not be living that kind of a life in the future. Thankfully, my new husband did well in his career and his income is sufficient to support our lifestyle.
I am often astonished at how some young and even preteen girls understand the idea of male submission, humiliation, and punishment. My two girls realized from the beginning of my marriage that they should take charge right away. Even I learned something from their devious little minds. He did not stand a chance and they knew it.
My daughters have collaborated with me on his every humiliation. The 14 year old has learned about boys from other girls at school and from certain web sites. She knows what excites them, how to control them, how to manipulate them. She, like many older sisters, has taught my 10 year old the ropes (sorry for the pun).
I never realized how submissive my new husband was. However, the girls launched a full interrogation program that included a great deal of innuendo and teasing commentary. His experience with girls was minimal and he was fascinated by their questions and how they planted the seeds of submission. Their goal was to develop a man that would OBEY. They say jump, and he would be trained to automatically ask “how high Miss”?
The girls began by suggesting a family meeting just before bedtime. They wore short and skimpy and frilly girlie things. They new that this type of dress would get his attention. My oldest started the conversation by asking a series of leading questions that the girls had written down. Here are a few of their interrogation questions;
1.Do you think that your new wife and her daughters should be treated like princesses?
2. Do you think that your new wife and her daughters should have complete control of running all family affairs?
3. Will you be ok taking orders and obeying even your 10 year old stepdaughter (giggles here)?
4. Do you believe that your role is to make life easier for the princesses in the home?
5. What excites you about girls? (He is now babbling and stumbling for words). I am really enjoying how the girls are handling themselves. The bulge in his pajamas and his wriggling was so noticeable.
6. In the event that you do not make your princesses happy will you accept being punished, tormented, and humiliated in order to improve your behavior?
The above was really just the beginning. The girls agreed that getting him addicted to girly things would be the best way to condition his behavior.
His first permanent assignment was that all of our panties would be washed by hand on a daily basis. The girls wanted this done using a certain procedure. He was given three bowls of water, one hot, and two warm and they were set on a table. The hotter water was used for the initial soak, the second would have a little feminine soap added and the third would be a final rinse. Once each pair of panties was thoroughly, and I mean thoroughly washed and rinsed they were hung to dry.
His reward, and this was absolutely precious, he would be drinking the “panty soak water” from a baby bottle. Talk about humiliation and teasing. They made him beg for that bottle. It was not long before other liquids were added to the soak water before it went into his baby bottle, i.e. our spit, etc. etc. That’s all he gets to drink and he actually begs them for it. It was amazing how that nipple brought him to his knees.
Yawn, total fantasy if you ask me.
The distinction and nonfiction often seems to vanish when people post comments on F/m blogs and forums.
I Am The Obedient Husband Of Angel, A Domineering Devil. Her Three Girls Are 13, 10 And 7 Years Old. I Make Their Beds After They Get Up And Before They Go To School. My Wife Has A Sissy Apron While I Do Housework And The Girls Are Some Times Cruel In Their Comments. You Look Cute To Day Daddy Or Does That Come In My Size. I Am Restricted In The Night By A Cb3000 Cock Chastisizer. But In The Day, My Wife Gets Me Hard While I Do Housework. The Girls Nottice That My Apron Is “Tenting” And Gigle About My Small Size. I Am Always Washing Panties When The Kids Come Home. They Are Always Giving Me Pointers On How To Wash Their Panites And Where They Go In Their Drawer. I Feel So Submissive When They Do. Every Night My Wife And Daughters Get A Pedicure And A Foot Massage. After Doing My Daughters, Which I Must Blow Dry After Applying The Desired Color, I Give My Wife A Pedicure, Followed By Blowing Her Pretty Toes Dry, Masaging Her Feet. And Then I Must Kiss Them In Front Of All. Sometimes They Go Out, And I Amm Required To Kiss All Their Feet Before And After They Put Their Shoes On. Amy, The 13 Year Old, Has Learned A Lot. She Is Constantly Flashing Me Her Panties (Or Lack There-Of) To Me, And Then Giving Me A Squeese As She Goes By. I Am Sure Her Mother Knows Nothing Of This-But Of Course It Could Be A Trap That They Are Leading Me Into. She Has Got A Boyfriend Now. When He Came Over, I Was Giving Pedicures To_The Younger Girls And My Wife, She Just Said Do Mine, And Wiggled Her Toes In Jimmie’s Face. The 14 Year Old Was Hypnotized By Her Little Toes. An Hour Later He Was Joining Me In Blowing Her Toes Dry And Kissing Her Feet. Whe Got Her High Heels And He Put Them On Her. Then More Foot Worship. I’d Say We Are Both Goners.
Can It Get Any Better Than This?
Mother Kali the Mother Goddess of the Universe wants strong sons not sissified wimps —-the Universe is Female-Led & Mother Kali always looks out for Her beloved Sons & probably is jealous of Her Daughters so there is no way She will allow Wives to lead Hubbies for long —so folks enjoy your temporary insanity until SHE kicks Feminazi Butts HARD !!!!!
This is a male fantasy. Feminazi rhetoric is children and completely misunderstands the matter.
I am the product of a femdom relationship, I have two sisters,one who is older, and one who is younger, both girls have inherited the dominant gene from their mother. Whereas I inherited the submissive gene from my father.
At the appropriate time, both my sisters were taught by our mother that girls were superior to boys, and that if the wished to do so they were at liberty to treat me as she does their father.
Both Girls could hardly believe their good fortune, and I also was overjoyed, but tried hard not to show it, I admired my sisters, both of whom I thought to be very attractive, in fact if the truth were known I was disappointed that I was not also a girl.
Secretly I had always wanted to be useful for them, but being rather shy, never knew how to ask, but now there was no need, mother had done it all for me.
They needed no persuading, and as they say, took to it like ducks to water, and it no time I became their slave. I soon found myself waiting on them hand and foot, and doing whatever they told me to do, usually this amounted to cleaning their room, running errands for them, and a mutilated of menial tasks.
Mother made it clear to me that if I didn’t obey their orders, they were at liberty to beat me just as she beat our father when he was disobedient, but strange as it may seem I wanted to be beaten by my sisters.
It was not long therefore, before I provoked my elder sister into punishing me, which I know she enjoyed doing, just as much as I enjoyed being beaten by her.
Shortly thereafter, I was also beaten by my younger sister, which I must confess was if anything even more enjoyable, it was certainly more painful.
All that was a long time ago, and since then, I have a married a Dominant Woman who now beats me for no other reason than it pleases Her to do so.
faceunderu, a Woman’s slave.
Today on the occasion of International Women’s Day i would like to salute Good Women & point out at the same time any mother who forced her minor son to be a slave of her minor daughters should have been indicted for child abuse , molestation —–hypocritically sitting on the face of a male who is erect & half crazy with fantasy-led lust & saying no sex has been permitted is NONSENSE !!!!!
When a girl’s soiled panties full of sexual juices leaking from her vagina & clitoris is stuffed into the son’s mouth under what circumstances that is NOT sex ??????
Like Bill Clinton said “I did not indulge in any inappropriate sex with Monica !” ???
The Mother was a MONSTER & INSANE !!!!!
FAceunderu should be “handscuffedbehindu” !!!!If they take pity on U they may send female , sadistic wardens to your correctional facility who will nightly swith your bare behind before forcing you to cunnilinguate/analinguate her pussy/anus until she gets imprisoned too !!!
you may face abattery of psychiatrists who may conclude you are mentally unstable in which case instead of the clinker it’s the loony bin 4U !!!
You say that I could be, “mentally unstable”, if that were the case, should you not be compassionate,and feel sorry for me ?
And what are you doing contributing to a web site that proclaims female superiority, that supports the Cybelian teaching that men are to be treated with utter contempt, and are only fit to be used as toilets ?
I don’t promote much of anything other than civility and believe even less. I provide information and forum for people to share and to speak out.
The one valid point brought up is that if it was once okay to raise girls to be submissive, then it is certainly okay to raise boys to be submissive, in fact even mores since girls are more mature and scores show girls are smarter, a lot smarter. Mom is the dominant Provider in our family. We grew up understanding she was totally in charge. If dad acted up, he was quickly corrected. Mom might give him a terse scolding or as she walked by just cup his balls and say; Knock it off. Keeping him in line wasn’t a big deal. Us girls followed her example, and our brothers followed dads. There was no plaque over the door that said women were in charge, it was just known. The boys were encouraged to run around the house in their underwear or after their bathes, naked for a time. Us girls took responsibility for them, correcting their behavior and getting them off to bed. Mom wanted me in bed by 11 on school nights. I sent my older brother to bed by 10. He obeyed without question accepting female superiorty as a fact. He behaved well for me and I seldom had to discipline him. We have a peaceful and happy family.
Dear Ms Bree
This sounds the ideal relationship to me. i am totally in the control of my mother and her female friends, including Ms Lucy who is 8 years younger than me. As you say, it is no big deal. That’s the way it is . And should be
steven
I was glad to read your post. At times I thought our family was strange. We tended to keep what happened at home very private. We just didn’t want to get into arguements with anyone, but like yours mom was in charge and we never thought anything of it. It really worked out wonderfully and we loved dad too but for being attentive, just like in a tradition family where the mother is submissive. Males do require more control and when things got out of hand it was not uncommon to see mom yell thats it to my brothers and dad, then take dad by the arm just like one of the boys and bend him over her knee right in front of us. if she was very angry she would drop his pants and warm his bare bottom until she had reasserted her control.
Us girls helped mom bathed the boys,(younger and older). I remember my 10 yr old sister during bath time when she ordered our 15 yr old brother out of the tub for being too rowdy and splashing water on the floor. She lectured him while he stood dripping wet. She made him towel up the floor before getting back into the tub. I was very proud of her for being mature at such an early age.
Our family often spend time together in the greatroom playing games and watching movies. When the boys got too noisy, us girls just started peeling clothes off them, socks, t-shirts and so on. If they couldn’t settled down they wound up naked. They were more submissive naked. We’d keep them that way until bedtime. We gave them plenty of love, often they’d kneel beside us on the floor while we sat on the couch with their heads in our laps. They did this on their own. My brother who was a year older would often sit quietly this way for an entire movie while I’d pet his hair. Sometimes when he was feeling insecure, I’d reach down and slip his clothes off. I could tell needed to know I was in control. He would snuggle close and close his eyes while I petted him. Sometime I’d pull him into my lap and rock him until he fell asleep. We are very close to this day.
You and your sisters seem so sweet I’d give anything to have wonderful sisters like you girls to love and care for me and have that nice family connection. Sadly I never had any sisters, only one brother. But yes anyway great story Mia.
Dear Ms Mia
You and Ms Bree spell out perfectly how the relationship can be and should be, imho. There is lots of love but the males know perfectly that the girls as well as their mother are in charge. That’s how it is in my house. They show me lots of love but i know what the consequences are if i step out of line. Mummy is in charge but Auntie joan and Ms Lucy also have to be obeyed
i am sure there are lots more like us but, maybe, they are shy to admit it publicly. i don’t know why. i am proud of being Mummy’s little boy and obeying her and her friends.
steven
i think that Bree’s family have it just right. Maybe there will come a point where the girls are put in charge of dad too but, in the meantime, they are right to supervise and control their brothers. And, as she syas, it’s no big deal thing. Just the way the world should be everywhere
I think and certainly hope that both faceunderyou and linda are pathetic fantazoids, not to mention several others!
Not only should males be trained to be subs and weekly caned even if there’s no real reason but girls should be trained to be dominant and in the use of the cane. Ideally sisters could learn over their brothers. Or girl neighbours one side and male children nearby.
i do so agree. males should be brought up to accept their inferiority and trained to housework in a disciplined environment by their Mother and Sisters
This idea is a sure fire way to ensure global Sharia for the next 10,0000 years. Look at how badly the female dominate educational system is ripping our society apart(war on boy’s) and has led along with corrupt family courts to the MGTOW movement.
I am going to be perfectly honest, I don’t identify as male or female first and foremost. To me I am a point in space/time, as is everything else around me. I guess I am more of a submissive switch that is male(originated most likely from a Herculean complex I had as a child[too strong for my age group] and the genuine fact I used to deprive pleasure from helping others). And I find the projections of some males and females disturbing.
And this also raises the problem of why most women when in a dominant role/role of power, must abuse that power. People forget one thing about the very,very brief time period when women where raised to be submissive; men had a ton of life and death responsibility. Heck there is an old story from the Revolutionary War era(the height of male power in America), three young men and a young woman had a bit of fun drinking and well screwing around. The young woman ended up pregnant and the three guy’s talked it over(no paternity test’s back then). The richest of the three took up the responsibility of looking after the young woman + child joking it was probably the poorest ones kid.
Problem is women still expect in this day and age that level of treatment while still being in a dominant role. Does not compute, seems fitting. Heck could anyone here imagine what would happen if you added social norms like suggested + a draft? Added to the fact that within 15 years women will become obsolete(women technically already are, as you can convert sperm cells to stem cells and those stem cells to stable egg cells) once mammal incubation/maturation chambers are a bit more advanced.
It just seems that there is far to many women who enjoy the perks of being dominant while at the same time running 100 mph away from the responsibility of being dominant.
Added to the fact that they are egged on by damaged individual’s(there is a difference between being submissive and a slave/door mat, anyone who could accept being a slave/door mat isn’t right in the head) only seems to make things worse.
All I am saying is the educational system already is doing this and it is ending with horrible results(11.4% male suicide rate, high male drop out rate and lower grades on average{tune out/drop out]).
Added to the fact we are one solar flare away from the dark ages, no matter. Nature always balances itself out. I liked this website at first, and the mods would do well to eliminate any female supremacist riff-raft before they take hold. The fact that one could accept Identity supremacy merely means they are just not submissive(or dominant), that they are fundamentally inferior, lesser intelligent life forms far removed from the path of sentience.
Um …
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I was forced into a femdom relationship at 13 when my 15 year old sister caught me trying on a pair of her panties and took a picture of me on her cell, then gave me a choice: She could show the picture to mom and dad and let them punish me, or she could punish me herself. Naturally I chose the second option. After ordering me to remove her panties she marched me into her bedroom and gave me a good spanking,. I thought that was the end of it, but I was wrong. Without so much as raising an eyebrow, she began playing with me penis until it was hard, then ordered me to masturbate in front of her. I felt humiliated, but went ahead and did it while she took even more pictures. The final humiliation came after I ejaculated. She made me hold up her skirt while she pulled the crotch of her panties aside, then rubbed my limp penis against her vulva while I apologized for having a useless little penis.